在Vergecast上，以视频形式
作者受邀参加The Vergecast播客节目，与David Pierce讨论了苹果在视频播客领域的动向，以及保持播客开放性的宏观议题。节目从"无论你在哪里获取播客"这一激进理念出发，并回顾了苹果公司成立50周年的历史。
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